i called a mate of mine regarding a website i was asked to work on and he mentioned i had used a free template on a joomla site i had built for my mate for cheap. So he had noticed it was a free one. Well if you are using a CMS for a site your building for someone cheap would you design a template? nope you use a free template and modify it because you are not covered in the costs to build the template! So if you are building a CMS for a big company and they are paying you mega $$$ then you build them a template as you get covered for this in the costs! otherwise you find them a free template that fits there requirements and makes the site look good and fit there company image. I had a look at the site i put in place then i looked at the site of the guy who made the comment and the joomla looked proffesional i looked at the other site and it looks like the guy is just learning HTML!! so i think ill stick with the free it looks lets say more pro and i know which company id go with if i wanted a site making! me! im fast cheap and a lot more expereinced than the guys round here touting websites and SEO there basically having ya pants down HA HA!!!